TFS 2010 Admin, Operations & Setup Improvements

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re: TFS 2010 Admin, Operations & Setup Improvements

abe — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:30:16 GMT

excellent post. Thanks. keep them coming. there are still a few vs05 users out there so maybe u need that support still

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aelij — Fri, 01 May 2009 13:26:09 GMT

The configuration and administration tool look amazing. I'm assuming it will be possible to remote admin?

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bharry — Fri, 01 May 2009 14:30:48 GMT

Thanks for the feedback abe, I seem to be hearing that a lot lately. We'll definitely be looking at options.

Aelij, Unfortunately, no, not in this release. We had to scope out remote admin to get everything done for this release. I fully expect we'll add remote admin in the future but for now you have to remote desktop to the box or something like that.

Brian

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Dave — Fri, 01 May 2009 15:10:47 GMT

We actually will likely have a lot of VS2005 client users still. What will we miss out with not having the patch for that client?

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Bob Hardister — Fri, 01 May 2009 16:49:55 GMT

Great post Brian. Thanks! I also enjoyed your webcast presentation to the Linked .NET Users Group yesterday.

We are going to need to sync up source code changes between two TFS servers on physically separate networks (no way around this requirement for us). Export and import of shelf-sets will do the trick. I understand this is not in 2010. How hard would it be for us to develop/extend the feature for ouselves? Could we work with you on this?

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Deepak — Fri, 01 May 2009 17:21:25 GMT

Like it! I remember from your previous post that you asked us not to ask for the date of beta 1 release, but certainly excited and hope it gets released soon, so that we can help dig in.

re: Old client/New server

dstanley — Fri, 01 May 2009 18:10:53 GMT

I think it would be wrong to assume that users will have moved off of VS 2005. I would be stretched to say that even some our users will have moved up by then. Also there may be extensions and utilities that are referencing the TFS 8.0 APIs. I'm not saying they would be difficult to upgrade, just that depending on deployment it could be a significant impact on customers.

We still have a few developers on Win 2000 (I know, I can’t believe it either) and these users cannot install anything higher than VS2005 due to the framework restrictions. These users still maintain some legacy VB6 and VS2003 apps, so the updated MSSCCI would need to function off of 2005 TE. I would hope they would be off this by then, but I am not involved in their units. Thought it was worth mentioning.

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MarcT — Fri, 01 May 2009 18:52:06 GMT

Thanx for the great post! Awesome info. The focus on setup is great. We're a small shop, still on 2K5, hoping the get approved to upgrade early next year. Our biggest priority in the migration is no broken builds, so we'll need a clear path of:

1. Set up test server with copy of existing projects

2. Update build scripts, project definitions, work item templates, etc

3. Upgrade clients to 2010

4. Migrate the server to new HW, splitting into AT and DT, applying changes from Step 2 to the latest versions of the projects

I'd like to upgrade the server before the clients, if you decide to support that scenario, but it's not a huge deal to us if you don't.

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bharry — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:28:31 GMT

Dave, if we continue with current plan of record (which is looking increasingly unlikely by the day), you'd have no access to TFS 2010 from within the VS 2005 IDE. You would have to use a 2008 or 2010 Team Explorer along side your 2005 IDE to interact with TFS. Given all the feedback we're getting on this, we're going to look into alternatives. But please don't stop giving any feedback you have.

Brian

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bharry — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:29:59 GMT

Bob, I don't think export/import of shelvesets would be very hard - in fact I think I was reading a thread the other day about some internal team that build such a tool. Send me an email at bharry@microsoft.com and I'll try to hook you up.

Brian

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bharry — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:32:39 GMT

Marc, I think you'll be happy with how much more smoothly that kind of thing will go than with previous upgrades. We'll definitely be interested in your feedback. Keep in mind the full blown upgrade experience won't be online until Beta 2.

Brian

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jadeters — Fri, 01 May 2009 20:23:59 GMT

No VS 2005 support? Ouch!

As much as I want us to get to VS2008, we have a wide spread of developers around the globe. Including contractors on their own equipment that we don't manage or provide, I think the total is around 75 seats. Coordinating any upgrade of Visual Studio is a major undertaking. We've been debating whether or not to simply wait for Rosario and do one upgrade instead of two, just to halve the cost and effort. (For reference, we didn't make the leap to VS2005 from VS6 until 2007, and skipped VS.Net and VS2003.)

I'd like to not be forced into the choice just because our TFS admin wants to upgrade the rest of the company to TFS 2010.

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Burt — Fri, 01 May 2009 20:25:21 GMT

The reason I can see are users still on VS 2005 is for business intelligence components (you cannot use VS 2008 for SSRS 2005 reports). I do not think our SQL 2005 support is not going away anytime soon.

But Team Explorer 2008 for check-in/check-out is not the end of the world either (in are our case we have mostly converted over to 2008).

Great post

re: New client/Old server

gary_MN — Fri, 01 May 2009 20:25:45 GMT

We still have TFS 2005 clients and very likely to still have TFS 2005 clients when TFS 2010 is released. I think Microsoft should plan to support TFS 2005 clients as well.

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Carl Daniel — Sat, 02 May 2009 09:37:56 GMT

+1 on the need for continued VS'05 support. The inability to use VS'08 (or VS'10) for SQL'05 BI projects means that we're stuck on VS'05 until we upgrade every client system to SQL'08, and that'll be some time yet.

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Dave — Sat, 02 May 2009 16:54:02 GMT

Please support VS2005. VS2005 will still be in mainstream support when TFS2010 is released.

By not including support for TFS2010 you will seriously limit your sales and adoption.

We will definately still be needing VS2005 access to TFS. We were hoping by going with a Microsoft solution we would not be in situations like this where support was dropped for an MS tool. I hate to say this but we still have a few things using VS6 and had a large amount till last year. We just got most items to VS2005 so it will be a while till we can upgrade. Financial indsutry is almost always behind 2 releases so this would be very detrimental.

On top of that the issues without the patch we heard are severe.

Please at least make existing TFS2005 functionality work with TFS2010 you don't have to support new functionality there for the most part.

(unless not having new functionality causes a serious issue)

Thanks

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Christoph — Mon, 04 May 2009 11:01:05 GMT

Great post brian. A questin are there some news about tfs project renaming support?

thanks

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Joar Øyen — Mon, 04 May 2009 11:31:18 GMT

Please consider supporting VS2005 clients, because although our new projects are using VS2008, we have to support older applications and older versions for a long time.

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David — Mon, 04 May 2009 14:57:22 GMT

We are unfortunately stuck with VS2005 for our most important projects because of required third-party plug-ins that the vendor doesn't update. Seeing all the benefits of TFS2010 in general, I would really like to see support for the VS2005 client as well. (In this matter, as in many other, I have more confidence in MS than our plug-in vendor, and now you have a chance to prove me right again.)

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bharry — Mon, 04 May 2009 17:14:56 GMT

Christoph,

Team Project Collections can be renamed but unfortunately, Team Projects still cannot be. It's something I'd very much like to add support for but it didn't make this release.

Brian

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levalencia — Tue, 05 May 2009 00:50:00 GMT

HellO Brian, Excellent post, it clarified me a lot of things but I must be honest.

Our company is a 500 person company, we use all Microsoft technologies from VB6 for a few customers to VS2008, We are planing to create our development process in TFS 2010, and we are very sure that a lot of users still use VS2005. In the future we will migrate everything to tfs 2010. But the clients might still have vs2005 or 2008, so I think that you must supply compatibility for TFS clients to connect to TFS 2010, maybe download a Service pack for those users will do.

Thank you very much

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christoph — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:54:58 GMT

Thanks brain for your response.

A little question are there some tools out of the box in 2010 for move project contents?

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Joseph Abukhader — Wed, 06 May 2009 20:00:28 GMT

Any news on more automated setup procedures, MSI that we can apply transforms to? This would get over a lot of hurdles in large corporate networks where folks don't necessarily have control of their infrastructure to ease deployment via SMS/SCCM or similar deployment tools.

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Hang Ten — Thu, 07 May 2009 01:35:02 GMT

Excellent post. Looking forward to it. Still struggling with RS in our TFS2008 installation.

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jankogaga — Fri, 08 May 2009 03:30:32 GMT

Re: Existing MSBEE solutions will still be necessary to build .NET 1.1 applications

Please note that there is a simpler solution than MSBEE is.

Please look at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/tfsbuild/thread/d234d10d-1fe4-49b1-9bd5-cb21225ca513/

Thanks

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Amir — Sun, 10 May 2009 06:50:05 GMT

When do we get our hands on this latest beta??

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re: TFS 2010 Admin, Operations & Setup Improvements

bharry — Mon, 11 May 2009 23:34:22 GMT

Amir,

Soon, very soon :)

Brian

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Константин Косинский — Sun, 17 May 2009 20:57:47 GMT

В ближайшее время ожидается выпуск первой беты Visual Studio 2010 и TFS 2010, которые можно будет попробовать

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Isaac — Mon, 18 May 2009 01:59:28 GMT

Really excited about TFS 2010, it's looking great.

We've actually only recently upgraded from TFS 2005 to 2008 - we were nervous about doing the "in-place" upgrade option which (if my colleague was correct!) was the only way to upgrade - so if something went wrong, you'd have to go to a backup of the TFS DB and try again etc..

Will the upgrade to TFS 2010 from TFS 2008 offer an alternative option e.g. perhaps rather than an "in-place" upgrade, offer the ability to do a clean install of TFS 2010 and then import the data from the TFS 2008 database across?

Also thanks for doing the LIDNUG talk the other week - went really well and all us us are looking forward for you to come do another session - drop me or one of the other admins an email when you have time to do it :)

Cheers

Isaac

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bharry — Mon, 18 May 2009 15:05:44 GMT

Yes, we now support what we call "move based upgrades" where you can copy a backup of your TFS 2005/2008 databases to a new server and then install TFS 2010 and have it upgrade the data. My intent was to describe this in the section above called "Upgrading from previous TFS versions" but not that I read it again, I see it may not have been as clear as I thought it was when I wrote it :)

Brian

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re: old client/new server

Jose Antonio Silva — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:45:52 GMT

Any idea on the required steps/fix to enable current clients (VS2008) to use TFS2010?

Any hack will do, just want to get a very small team away from our current vss. (And I don't want to deploy current version of TFS)

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bharry — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:26 GMT

It will mostly work now but we don't recommend it. The biggest concern is changes in the rename/delete behavior, particularly with respect to merging. You'll also get some wierd error messages from work item tracking when you try to access queries, etc that use the new features and I think the portal/reports might not be accessible from the 2008 client.

The patch we are working on will address these things for the 2008 client. I'm hoping to have previews available in the Aug timeframe but certainly no later than beta 2.

Brian

re: Team Explorer 2005 support

Tim Taylor — Thu, 28 May 2009 11:16:35 GMT

Hi, Thanks for the great post. You've probably already guessed what I'm going to type! No support for 2005 clients will be a headache. We will have 250 clients to upgrade and the licence/ tech support cost of the upgrades will make TFS 2010 a more difficult sell at a time when the macro economic environment is exerting enormous cost pressure.

TFS2010 does look a great product. Well done, guys!

Tim

re: TFS 2010 Admin, Operations & Setup Improvements

bharry — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:54:14 GMT

I'm going to post an update on this soon.

Brian

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Cedric — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:31:08 GMT

Hey Brian,

Am I correct in the assumption that if I upgrade my current 2008 TFS's to 2010 I will be able to then merge those to together to one TFS? i.e. get a new machine and then merge the other two into that one to be able to retire the old 2 TFS Systems?

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bharry — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:54:23 GMT

Yes, Cedric, you will be able to do that.

Brian

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SANGRAM — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:36:26 GMT

Hi Brian,

I have a test server for TFS 2010 Beta 1. Now I want to import one Team project or atleast source control data (with history) from our TFS 2008 server to this new server. Is there any utility available for import?

Thanks, Sangram.

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bharry — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:23:43 GMT

Some time ago we made a decision to not support this operation. Our plan was to require that 2005/2008 servers be upgraded and then merged with a 2010 server. We knew it would be annoying in some situations but we didn't feel we had the time to do better than that for this release.

However, it turns out, in the interim the capability has been built as part of our need to test 2005/2008 -> 2010 upgrades. I've talked to the team about it and we feel we can make the capability available to customers. It was available in the components we shipped in Beta 1 but was not documented. Here are some instructions for using it. You'd need to replace "DTO1" with your database server/instance and "UpgradedCollection" with the name of the Team Project collection you want created.

Beta1 usage (common case):

Tfsconfig import /connectionString:”Data Source=DT01;Initial Catalog=TfsIntegration;Integrated Security=SSPI" /collectionName:UpgradedCollection

This schedules a TPC upgrade and waits for the servicing job to complete before returning control to the console. A log file of the servicing activity is created. This command requires a functional application tier to already exist.

In Beta1 customers could run this multiple times upgrading 2008 databases into many project collections.

More information if you are interested:

The default timeout was 10 minutes in Beta1 – this means that some activity had to be reported every 10 minutes otherwise the job would be deemed failed and the command line would return with an error. The job state is not affected by this.

Brian

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Ron Krauter — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:56:28 GMT

Brian,

Can we upgrade from TFS 2005 to TFS 2010 or do we need to go to TFS 2008 first?

Is it preferred to do an in place upgrade before moving TFS to a different server (example TFS 2005 on WIN2003 -> TFS 2010 on WIN2008)?

Are there any tools to assist in performing the upgrade?

Thanks,

Ron

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bharry — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:03:03 GMT

Yes, you will be able to upgrade directly from TFS 2005 -> TFS 2010.

In 2010, we now support both in place upgrades and "move based" upgrades. We think many/most customers will move and upgrade simultaneously.

Yes, TFS 2010, comes with full upgrade support/tools built in.

Brian

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Geoff Niehaus — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:25:56 GMT

I just installed TFS 2010 Beta 2 in a new environment and better configuration than TFS 2008. Our TFS 2008 installation configuration sucks, and upgrading was not an option. We only want to move some TFS 2008 projects over to TFS 2010. I also need the Sharepoint portals associated the the projects moved over as well as Work Items and Source Code. I am have trouble finding some good step by step documentation on how to do this. If you could point me to a good link, that would be helpful as well.

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Aaron Block — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:56:27 GMT

Hi Geoff,

Even if you don't plan on using your server as a production server, would it be possible to upgrade it temporaraly (once you upgrade it, then moving the source code, wit, and WSS sites will be easier.)

If you have any question, feel free to shoot me a mail at ablock[~~at~~]microsoft[~~dot~~]com

--Aaron